Comments on: Pryor fumble gives the game away http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php we will fight to the end for O-HI-O, but we can't promise to be any good at it Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:08:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: BuckMoose http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1275 BuckMoose Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:56:18 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1275 The problem for a long time has been the O-line and Bollman/ Daniels. I bet other spread style coaches in the NCAA look at our talent and laugh at how they are coached. Look how many Buckeyes from this team and perennially will play in the NFL. The numbers are staggering. So why do they consistently lose these big games? COACHING!!! I could win more games calling the shots on Offense - seriously. Hey, anyone who plays us next, want to know what we're gonna do on the next play? 1: Beanie draw up the gut. 2: I-form Beanie hand-off up the gut 3: Quarterback keeper. Learn how to defend this and anyone can beat us. Seriously, think about it, Ted Ginn's own father said that Ray Small had the talent to be better than his own son. On any team like Kansas, or Texas Tech, Small would be another Crabtree or Maclin. But who has he been on the Bucks? How do you think Robo and Hartline feel? Robo could have been a super-star to any team with a decent QB. Hell, he would have made any decent QB look great, and Harts consistently leaves it on the field every game he plays. Vico, you are not alone on the Sanzenbacher call, he has been the truth the whole season, but stop talking about him, because once other teams figure this out we'll have no pass attack at all. Bring any Big 12 coach over from any of the successful teams this year and even with a shitty O-line, we'd still be hanging big numbers. The fact is that we have too much firepower for an O-line to matter that much, the problem is that we never use it. Look at the Michigan State game. It was the only time I've seen the trips set-up consistently this year and a bunch of quick, short, sure passes. This opens it up for Beans and Pryor, and keeps the ball moving, while eating up time. 4-5 yards on every down wins a hell of a lot of ball games. It also opens it up for attempts at the big ball. That was the only game we deviated from the norm and look what happened. It was the most complete game we've played in God knows how long. It was also the only game we have done anything decent in the red. Our D has been the truth for a few games now, and I feel they'd stand up to anybody. Any D, no matter how good, would have gotten tired last game late, so don't fault them. Thank God for our D, they have really grown and learned how to click since the USC game. My question is are you faulting those of us who still want to see Boeckman occasionally? Why not? Mix it up. I'm not saying pull Pryor, but when you have 2 greats like that with different styles and so many weapons to use, it's stupid not to use them. Let Pryor learn a little from the Senior, and show Boecks some respect for what he has done for us in the past. If we mixed it up like that, no D would be able to stop us, they'd never know what to expect. Then maybe Beanie would get those big runs and numbers we all remember. He is a beast, but if the opposing team knows it's coming to him on every play then what do you expect? If we keep this offensive coordination nightmare up, we're not only going to keep losing big games, but the big recruits. What QB or receiver wants to go play for a team who doesn't throw the ball? Who wants to go play for a team whose idea of success is limited to us beating Michigan again, but nothing more. Tress has shown us he can beat Michigan. In that I believe in him, but there has to be more to a season than just the result of the Michigan game. We have to re-assess our goals this next off-season and say goodbye to Jim Bollman and maybe even Joe Daniels. We can't play "3 yards in a cloud of dust" football anymore or these new-school teams will wax us every year, regardless of how good our D is, and it's not gonna get much better than it is now. The problem for a long time has been the O-line and Bollman/ Daniels. I bet other spread style coaches in the NCAA look at our talent and laugh at how they are coached. Look how many Buckeyes from this team and perennially will play in the NFL. The numbers are staggering. So why do they consistently lose these big games? COACHING!!! I could win more games calling the shots on Offense – seriously. Hey, anyone who plays us next, want to know what we’re gonna do on the next play? 1: Beanie draw up the gut. 2: I-form Beanie hand-off up the gut 3: Quarterback keeper. Learn how to defend this and anyone can beat us. Seriously, think about it, Ted Ginn’s own father said that Ray Small had the talent to be better than his own son. On any team like Kansas, or Texas Tech, Small would be another Crabtree or Maclin. But who has he been on the Bucks? How do you think Robo and Hartline feel? Robo could have been a super-star to any team with a decent QB. Hell, he would have made any decent QB look great, and Harts consistently leaves it on the field every game he plays. Vico, you are not alone on the Sanzenbacher call, he has been the truth the whole season, but stop talking about him, because once other teams figure this out we’ll have no pass attack at all. Bring any Big 12 coach over from any of the successful teams this year and even with a shitty O-line, we’d still be hanging big numbers. The fact is that we have too much firepower for an O-line to matter that much, the problem is that we never use it. Look at the Michigan State game. It was the only time I’ve seen the trips set-up consistently this year and a bunch of quick, short, sure passes. This opens it up for Beans and Pryor, and keeps the ball moving, while eating up time. 4-5 yards on every down wins a hell of a lot of ball games. It also opens it up for attempts at the big ball. That was the only game we deviated from the norm and look what happened. It was the most complete game we’ve played in God knows how long. It was also the only game we have done anything decent in the red. Our D has been the truth for a few games now, and I feel they’d stand up to anybody. Any D, no matter how good, would have gotten tired last game late, so don’t fault them. Thank God for our D, they have really grown and learned how to click since the USC game. My question is are you faulting those of us who still want to see Boeckman occasionally? Why not? Mix it up. I’m not saying pull Pryor, but when you have 2 greats like that with different styles and so many weapons to use, it’s stupid not to use them. Let Pryor learn a little from the Senior, and show Boecks some respect for what he has done for us in the past. If we mixed it up like that, no D would be able to stop us, they’d never know what to expect. Then maybe Beanie would get those big runs and numbers we all remember. He is a beast, but if the opposing team knows it’s coming to him on every play then what do you expect? If we keep this offensive coordination nightmare up, we’re not only going to keep losing big games, but the big recruits. What QB or receiver wants to go play for a team who doesn’t throw the ball? Who wants to go play for a team whose idea of success is limited to us beating Michigan again, but nothing more. Tress has shown us he can beat Michigan. In that I believe in him, but there has to be more to a season than just the result of the Michigan game. We have to re-assess our goals this next off-season and say goodbye to Jim Bollman and maybe even Joe Daniels. We can’t play “3 yards in a cloud of dust” football anymore or these new-school teams will wax us every year, regardless of how good our D is, and it’s not gonna get much better than it is now.

]]> By: John Boy http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1260 John Boy Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:44:10 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1260 The defense tanked it when it counted most by committing two crucial penalties as they usually do in big games. The facemask on Worthington and the pass interference on Washington. Our defensive line got tired in the 2nd half as well. I do think that they played well for one half. We lead the nation in absolute mental breakdowns in pressure situations the last 4 years. Period. We have lost the spirit to finish the play and the drive and the game. We play with the mentality of "Oh shit....here we go again.....we'll lose this one and fight another day." The other day has not yet arrived, especially with this group of upperclassmen and certain coaches. The defense tanked it when it counted most by committing two crucial penalties as they usually do in big games. The facemask on Worthington and the pass interference on Washington. Our defensive line got tired in the 2nd half as well. I do think that they played well for one half. We lead the nation in absolute mental breakdowns in pressure situations the last 4 years. Period.
We have lost the spirit to finish the play and the drive and the game. We play with the mentality of “Oh shit….here we go again…..we’ll lose this one and fight another day.”
The other day has not yet arrived, especially with this group of upperclassmen and certain coaches.

]]> By: E http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1259 E Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:55:33 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1259 I think the defense played a pretty good game, certainly when you consider some of the performances they've logged earlier in the year; even more so when you consider that PSU actively avoided our best player (on D) for nearly the entire game (I can only recall them throwing one ball in the direction of Mr. Jenkins, and it was for a 3 yard gain). Simply put, despite some sloppy tackling and sub-par coverage by D-Wash (actually you can say that about the rest of the secondary after Jenkins and Chekwa, but particularly about Washington), they gave the offense ample opportunity to win this game. As for the O, I think (as has been repeated over and over again) that the blame rests with the O-line's execution (or lack thereof) and the play-calling (though it was better than I expected, and there even seemed to be some second half adjustments--not nearly enough, but any adjustment is a step in the right direction). It's unfortunate that Beanie had a shitty day, but when you force your running back to break a couple tackles to get back to the LOS, that will happen (I believe it was in the 3rd quarter when I saw Wells break 2 tackles, step past another kid, and deliver a stiff-arm-of-justice in the span of about 5 yards--and all of this was to gain 2 yards). Had anyone else been in his place they likely would have had negative yardage on the day. I assume that we'll see NU, Ill, and scUM stack the box (and move several more onto the LOS) like PSU did and dare us to throw...however, I don't believe any of those teams have the personnel Penn State does and that Pryor should be able to continue his growth as a passer and Beanie should be able to chew up more yardage behind our slow, largely-ineffective O-line. It is rather frightening that our best victories in terms of quality of opponent will be over MSU and Minnesota this year--who saw THAT coming? (not that we'd drop a couple games, but that Minnesota had a reasonable shot at going 11-1) I think the defense played a pretty good game, certainly when you consider some of the performances they’ve logged earlier in the year; even more so when you consider that PSU actively avoided our best player (on D) for nearly the entire game (I can only recall them throwing one ball in the direction of Mr. Jenkins, and it was for a 3 yard gain). Simply put, despite some sloppy tackling and sub-par coverage by D-Wash (actually you can say that about the rest of the secondary after Jenkins and Chekwa, but particularly about Washington), they gave the offense ample opportunity to win this game.

As for the O, I think (as has been repeated over and over again) that the blame rests with the O-line’s execution (or lack thereof) and the play-calling (though it was better than I expected, and there even seemed to be some second half adjustments–not nearly enough, but any adjustment is a step in the right direction). It’s unfortunate that Beanie had a shitty day, but when you force your running back to break a couple tackles to get back to the LOS, that will happen (I believe it was in the 3rd quarter when I saw Wells break 2 tackles, step past another kid, and deliver a stiff-arm-of-justice in the span of about 5 yards–and all of this was to gain 2 yards). Had anyone else been in his place they likely would have had negative yardage on the day.

I assume that we’ll see NU, Ill, and scUM stack the box (and move several more onto the LOS) like PSU did and dare us to throw…however, I don’t believe any of those teams have the personnel Penn State does and that Pryor should be able to continue his growth as a passer and Beanie should be able to chew up more yardage behind our slow, largely-ineffective O-line.

It is rather frightening that our best victories in terms of quality of opponent will be over MSU and Minnesota this year–who saw THAT coming? (not that we’d drop a couple games, but that Minnesota had a reasonable shot at going 11-1)

]]> By: John Boy http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1258 John Boy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:05:09 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1258 Vico, I have become quite a fan of your commentary and site as it aligns with my own thinking, geographical location, and sense of humor. Being a proud, permanently banned former member of the cheerleading site known as BuckeyePlanet, I fail to see how many members of that organization fail to see what we see. I have been on the dump Boeckmann, the whole-freakin' O-line (especially Boone who is a drunken blowhard bad example), Bollman, and Heacock wagon since the Florida game. (I unfortunately predicted that one.) This group of coaches has not maintained the team's competitive edge since '02 (Cooper's players) and has attained an ass-load of money and recognition beating up on weak conference and Div1AA opponents. Tressel is a great coach, but he is a friend protector when it comes to the nut cuttin'. We have some coaches (Fickell) who have never coached anywhere else. I'm tired of hearing comments about our team's mental and physical weaknesses from other top-notch teams. Teams who play us, win or lose, should feel the pain for weeks and respect us either way. Instead, we're the Sta-Puff team. Living in SEC country lately will definitely humble you, and being a diehard Bucks fan can be a large cross to bear when Tressel and his boys fail to be progressive enough to win the tougher games. In my opinion, prepare yourself for 10-2, and a bowl-game loss against USC again or the #2 SEC team. These kids have a quit mentality, and they will most likely never get out from under it. Graduation can't come fast enough. Anyway, keep it up man! I anxiously await your next segment! Buck in Louisiana. Vico,

I have become quite a fan of your commentary and site as it aligns with my own thinking, geographical location, and sense of humor. Being a proud, permanently banned former member of the cheerleading site known as BuckeyePlanet, I fail to see how many members of that organization fail to see what we see. I have been on the dump Boeckmann, the whole-freakin’ O-line (especially Boone who is a drunken blowhard bad example), Bollman, and Heacock wagon since the Florida game. (I unfortunately predicted that one.) This group of coaches has not maintained the team’s competitive edge since ’02 (Cooper’s players) and has attained an ass-load of money and recognition beating up on weak conference and Div1AA opponents. Tressel is a great coach, but he is a friend protector when it comes to the nut cuttin’. We have some coaches (Fickell) who have never coached anywhere else. I’m tired of hearing comments about our team’s mental and physical weaknesses from other top-notch teams. Teams who play us, win or lose, should feel the pain for weeks and respect us either way. Instead, we’re the Sta-Puff team.
Living in SEC country lately will definitely humble you, and being a diehard Bucks fan can be a large cross to bear when Tressel and his boys fail to be progressive enough to win the tougher games.
In my opinion, prepare yourself for 10-2, and a bowl-game loss against USC again or the #2 SEC team. These kids have a quit mentality, and they will most likely never get out from under it.
Graduation can’t come fast enough.
Anyway, keep it up man! I anxiously await your next segment!

Buck in Louisiana.

]]> By: Matt http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1257 Matt Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:56:50 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1257 Love the picture of Pryor. My new facebook picture. You must embrace the tough times to truly appreciate the good. Go Buckeyes Love the picture of Pryor. My new facebook picture. You must embrace the tough times to truly appreciate the good.

Go Buckeyes

]]> By: Neil & Lane http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1255 Neil & Lane Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:27:37 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1255 In our two biggest games of the year, we have managed to score nine points and no offensive touchdowns. For once, I would like to see our offense score three or four touchdowns in a big game. Bollman needs to go. I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but at the end of the day he's not doing his job. The last time I checked, when I don't do my job I get fired. We need a young, bright offensive coordinator that has complete play calling control. In our two biggest games of the year, we have managed to score nine points and no offensive touchdowns. For once, I would like to see our offense score three or four touchdowns in a big game.

Bollman needs to go. I’m sure he’s a nice guy and all, but at the end of the day he’s not doing his job. The last time I checked, when I don’t do my job I get fired. We need a young, bright offensive coordinator that has complete play calling control.

]]> By: ObamaBuck http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1254 ObamaBuck Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:49:24 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1254 1. I'm proud for TP. To be so young in that spotlight and not rollover and die like 99 percent of us is truly amazing. 2. However, I'm really disappointed in Tressel and Bollman. Its time! It is time for Bollman to move on because his lineman are not getting developed like they should. I haven't even mentioned the playcalling. Their is way too much talent to run iso formation all game long against a stout defense. Its just flat out mind jarring that JT is this stubborn about his offensive philosophy. 1. I’m proud for TP. To be so young in that spotlight and not rollover and die like 99 percent of us is truly amazing.
2. However, I’m really disappointed in Tressel and Bollman. Its time! It is time for Bollman to move on because his lineman are not getting developed like they should. I haven’t even mentioned the playcalling. Their is way too much talent to run iso formation all game long against a stout defense. Its just flat out mind jarring that JT is this stubborn about his offensive philosophy.

]]> By: Ken http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1253 Ken Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:57:42 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1253 Vico, You've got to lighten up. It was very disappointing, but not the end of civilization as we know it. Defensively, I thought they played quite well. I agree, they did need to do a better job wrapping up in the open field. The one defensive play (scheme) that did upset me was PSU's pass play down the right sideline which set up their first field goal. Their receiver found te opening in our zone (gawddamn zone!) and made the play. Offensively, I think you've nailed it. The lard-ass line continues to disappoint with their pillow-fighting. I agree with Adam's and Shugart's absense hurting us. At this point, what is the harm in playing time for Miller and Mitchum? The 1st half play calling baffled me (but evidently not Penn State) with sequences of run-run-pass, lather-rinse-repeat, etc. I thought Terrelle played a good game. Yes, the fumble was the backbreaker, and yes, he does float his intermediate passes. I'll take errors of commission with him while he is learning. Hey, the fans were all in heat to replace Todd with Terrelle, and we knew ( I assume) that he was going to make mistakes along the way. That's the way it goes, until he grows into the roll. Having said that, let's roll through balance of season and kick some ass in a bowl game. Go Bucks! Vico,
You’ve got to lighten up. It was very disappointing, but not the end of civilization as we know it. Defensively, I thought they played quite well. I agree, they did need to do a better job wrapping up in the open field. The one defensive play (scheme) that did upset me was PSU’s pass play down the right sideline which set up their first field goal. Their receiver found te opening in our zone (gawddamn zone!) and made the play.

Offensively, I think you’ve nailed it. The lard-ass line continues to disappoint with their pillow-fighting. I agree with Adam’s and Shugart’s absense hurting us. At this point, what is the harm in playing time for Miller and Mitchum? The 1st half play calling baffled me (but evidently not Penn State) with sequences of run-run-pass, lather-rinse-repeat, etc.

I thought Terrelle played a good game. Yes, the fumble was the backbreaker, and yes, he does float his intermediate passes. I’ll take errors of commission with him while he is learning. Hey, the fans were all in heat to replace Todd with Terrelle, and we knew ( I assume) that he was going to make mistakes along the way. That’s the way it goes, until he grows into the roll.

Having said that, let’s roll through balance of season and kick some ass in a bowl game. Go Bucks!

]]> By: c http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1250 c Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:08:52 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1250 Come on they are not as the bad as the Browns... Seriously, we'll be fine. We're too spoiled on Troy. This is college football, nothing is for certain. And god forbid we become the patriots. Come on they are not as the bad as the Browns…

Seriously, we’ll be fine. We’re too spoiled on Troy. This is college football, nothing is for certain. And god forbid we become the patriots.

]]> By: Mike http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2008/10/pryor-fumble-gives-the-game-away.php/comment-page-1#comment-1249 Mike Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:10:56 +0000 http://www.ourhonordefend.com/?p=491#comment-1249 It's hard enough to watch the Browns on Sundays. Now I gotta watch them on Saturdays, too. It’s hard enough to watch the Browns on Sundays. Now I gotta watch them on Saturdays, too.

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